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[Résolu] Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportionnel

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[Résolu] Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportionnel

Messagepar Patafelix » 06 Nov 2021, 17:38

Coucou,

En cherchant une réponse à une autre question je suis tombé sur ça :
https://www.carabinsnicois.fr/phpbb/download/file.php?id=44114&mode=view

ça vient de là: https://www.carabinsnicois.fr/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1649&t=139479&p=627342&hilit=concentration+%C3%A0+l%27%C3%A9quilibre+proportionnelle#p627342

Dans la réponse du prof et de la tutrice il y a deux choses que je ne comprends pas :

- Pourquoi le Vd est inversement proportionnel à la fois à la Cl et à la Css

- Pourquoi la Css est proportionnelle à la demie-vie. La tutrice dit ça: "Au concours il pourra te poser un item du style "la concentration à l'équilibre est proportionnelle à la vitesse de perfusion, demi-vie et volume de distribution" ou un truc du style "il y a une relation entre..." et dans ce cas tu le compterais juste".
Mais pour moi plus la demie vie est petite plus il sera difficile d'atteindre la concentration à l'équilibre puisque le médicament disparaîtra plus rapidement et inversement.
J'imagine que je dois tout confondre et que j'ai faux mais si vous pouviez m'aider ce serait toooop

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Re: Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportio

Messagepar jad-k » 22 Nov 2021, 01:01

+1
est-ce que cette item est vraiment à compter comme juste ??
"la concentration à l'équilibre est proportionnelle à la vitesse de perfusion, -demi-vie et volume de distribution"-
Okay but who asked?
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Re: Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportio

Messagepar ANiSM » 22 Nov 2021, 23:21

Hello !

Désolé de la réponse tardive, votre post s'est perdu sous l'avalanche :/

C'est dans quelle page de la ronéo qu'on parle de cette partie svp <3 ?

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Re: Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportio

Messagepar Patafelix » 23 Nov 2021, 10:16

Ils en parlent page 7 de la ronéo pharmacocinétique et pharmacodynamie, Ronéo 15.
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Re: Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportio

Messagepar ANiSM » 23 Nov 2021, 15:08

Oki ! Let's go pour une petite réponse alors :

Patafelix a écrit:- Pourquoi le Vd est inversement proportionnel à la fois à la Cl et à la Css


Je pense que c'est par rapport aux formules liant le Vd à la CL ; et la CL à la Css qui justifie cette affirmation !

Patafelix a écrit:Pourquoi la Css est proportionnelle à la demie-vie


Selon moi, c'est en jouant avec les formules encore une fois qu'on arrive à cette phrase. Si la Css a une relation de proportionnalité avec le Vd et la CL, et que la T 1/2 elle même a une relation avec le Vd et la CL

Je rappelle : T 1/2 = Ln 2 x Vd / Cl

Alors :arrow: Css dépend (ou encore est proptionnelle) à la demi-vie

Sinon pour l'histoire de proportionnel/inversement proportionnel je t'avoue que c'est le bordel, je ne saurai moi-même pas y répondre de manière exacte, mais étant donné que c'est une partie qui est juste sur la diapo du prof et qu'il ne l'explique pas à l'oral, pas besoin d'aller dans les détails ! Il suffit juste de savoir qui a une relation avec quoi, et c'est déjà assez :curl-lip:

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Re: Css, demie-vie,Vd proportionnel ou inversement proportio

Messagepar Patafelix » 23 Nov 2021, 17:28

Merci beaucoup :coeur:
je vais retenir du coup que tout ce bordel peut être mis en relation avec les formules, bonne journée !
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